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[Entrepreneur Interview #17] Takahiro Kato (Faithful) – Part 1

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2026.03.12

“Leaning in closely to the vision of business leaders”
Realizing a Venture Ecosystem through M&A

D-POPS GROUP has 25 group companies that we call partners (at the time of publication).

For this article, we interviewed Takahiro Kato, the Managing Director, Operating Officer, and Corporate Planning Head of D-POPS GROUP Co., Ltd., as well as Co-President of Faithful Corporation, one of D-POPS GROUP’s first member companies. (This interview was conducted in December 2025.)

◆Journey to Joining the Company

Sugihara:
Thank you for agreeing to this interview, Mr. Kato!

I understand you joined the company in August 2006. Could you tell us about your career up to that point and the circumstances that led to you joining?

Kato:
My previous job was at an accounting firm in Sendai, where I worked as a financial consultant. I was responsible for supporting the establishment of medical corporations and the opening of medical malls. I worked like crazy there for about five years.

At the time, the company had a compensation structure where performance was directly reflected in your salary. Despite being in a regional city and being only 23 years old, I was earning an annual income of about 5 million yen. Given the price levels of 20 years ago, that was quite exceptional treatment.

However, because I started earning so much at a young age, before I knew it, the focus of my attention shifted from the customers to my own income. I started prioritizing what benefitted me most, thinking things like, “I can get this customer to sign for this amount of insurance.” I think I had become conceited.

Around that time, a mentor who had been very kind to me since my days as a part-time student worker went independent and started his own business. That CEO became my client, with an attitude of “If Kato is going to do his best on this, count me in.” However, I ended up getting promoted later, and in my new position, I no longer directly handled his account, so I became emotionally detached. After a while, his business stalled, and he had to close it down.

Back when I first started learning bookkeeping in an ordinary high school, I had the pure ambition of becoming someone who helps out CEOs in the future. And yet, I failed to notice the changes in my dear mentor’s situation due to my shortsighted desire for personal gain. I was tormented by intense regret, realizing this was the result of my own arrogance.

I thought to myself, “Rather than supporting a president from afar as an external consultant, what if I could support a single company president and scale a business even more if I became his or her right-hand man?”, and began looking to change jobs.

Sugihara:
Is that when you met President Goto?

Kato:
Yes. At the time, I was interviewing with two companies: D-POPS and one other.

The other company wanted me to join immediately after giving me an offer. However, I was still living in Sendai at the time, and it was right before my daughter was to be born. I told them I absolutely needed them to wait three months, but they declined, saying that would be difficult.

President Goto, on the other hand, was different. When I honestly explained my circumstances, he said, “I understand. I’ll wait three months.” Moved by the depth of his character, I decided to join D-POPS.

What I still haven’t forgotten to this day is the intensity of the interviews. I went through two rounds, and President Goto handled both of them personally. Each one lasted over three hours—more than six hours in total—listening to my future goals and feelings while I shared what I could contribute. It was precisely because of that dense, meaningful dialogue that I felt certain I wanted to make a fresh start under this man.

◆D-POPS in the Early Days

Sugihara:
Three hours! That’s incredible. What was your role when you joined in 2006?

Kato:
My role back then was defined as “taking charge of general back-office operations”. I was hired into the administrative office with the potential of becoming an executive staff, but when I actually started, I was shocked by the state of things, ha ha.

For example, I was solely responsible for collecting sales proceeds from all the stores. At that time, installment sales (loans) weren’t common yet, so millions of yen in cash accumulated in each store’s safe every day. I spent my days going from store to store, collecting the cash, carrying it to the nearest ATM, and depositing it day by day so we could track it later. After visiting five or six stores, it would be evening. I’d return to the office and spend the rest of the day reconciling cash and handling the accounting.

The atmosphere of the organization was like a battlefield. I had the feeling that in order for us to survive, I needed to produce results even if it meant knocking the neighboring competitors out of commission. It didn’t matter if you were a full-time employee, a part-timer, or a dispatch worker…everyone was simply chasing the number of units sold—in other words, sales—right in front of them. It was that kind of time.

Sugihara:
The management system also must have been completely different from what it is now.

Kato:
Quite so. At that time, attendance was confirmed through a system where store staff would send a fax to the head office when they arrived at work. Outside of this system, we couldn’t even tell if a particular store was open. Occasionally, the head office would receive calls from customers asking, “Why isn’t the store open today?”, ha ha.

Later, we introduced an IT system, but then some staff started clocking in remotely from outside the stores. We realized that it wasn’t any use to just make sure our employees were clocking in.

Next, we tried a method where staff had to answer a company philosophy-related quiz every morning using the stores’ fax machines. However, some clever people tried to cheat by programming the fax machines to send it at a set time. It was a constant game of cat-and-mouse with fraudulent access and time-card tampering, so we needed to rethink the entire system from the ground up.

Sugihara:
How did the organization transform into what it is today?

Kato:
I think the big change started around 2007 or 2008 when we began hiring new graduates. We shifted away from a culture where “anything goes as long as you hit your numbers”. As educated new graduates joined, the organizational consciousness flipped completely. Looking back, that was the major turning point.

Sugihara:
Did your own mindset change, too? When did that happen?

Kato:
Yes, there was a significant shift that changed my outlook on life. For a long time, whenever President Goto visited banks to report on our management status, he would always use the words ‘sincerity’, ‘humility’, and ‘gratitude’. To be honest, at the time, they sounded like nothing more than magic words to me. But after being in contact with this organization for so many years, I’ve truly internalized those words and come to agree with them deeply.

◆Building the Organizational Foundation

Sugihara:
Before the transition to group management in 2017, you reportedly handled all sorts of tasks as Corporate Planning during the D-POPS era.

Kato:
Yes. For about ten years before we moved into M&A in earnest, I spent all my time running around to build the organization’s foundation. At the time, we didn’t even have a contract with a labor and social security attorney, and labor management was essentially handled by President Goto’s mother. So, I started by switching those tasks to a professional system.

I also worked on eliminating time lags in cash management to visualize cash flow and created a performance management system that didn’t exist before. I set up the data needed for management decisions one by one, such as calculating precise figures per individual store including seasonal factors and managing store-specific profit and loss (P&L).

Sugihara:
Without such meticulous system design, managing at the current scale would be impossible.

Kato:
You’re absolutely right. However, while organizing the systems, what I always valued was the heat and passion of the front lines—what we call our store staff’s “empathy-driven customer service”. Right after I joined, I had a one-week orientation where President Goto and I visited every single store together. We would stand in front of a store for about an hour, watching the staff interact with customers, and then discuss it.

President Goto told me, “That store manager’s numbers might be average, but they enjoy such overwhelming feedback from their customers. Look, the customers are leaving with such smiles. The shape of the smile differs by store, but that is the strength of D-POPS.”

He taught me not just to manage numbers, but encouraged me to feel the temperature of our stores and the bonds with customers firsthand. I think it was because of that experience, I was able to focus on creating organizational management systems that were heart-led, rather than creating systems just to control people.

Sugihara:
Were you ever directly involved in the actual business operations at those stores?

Kato:
To accurately understand store operations, I spent only two weeks at one site. After understanding the work flow and what problems they encounter there, I returned to my duties at the head office.

Although I was in the administrative office when I joined, my proposals were often planning-oriented, and I was frequently asked for creative improvements. I was given the advice: “Change your title to ‘Corporate Planning’, get out there, and make things move more.” From that point on, I’ve been working in Corporate Planning for around ten years now.

◆The Start of M&A Strategy and Meeting Faithful Corporation

Sugihara:
You were appointed as the President of Faithful in 2017. What led up to this?

Kato:
Around 2015 to 2016, just as D-POPS GROUP reached 10 billion yen in sales, we faced a massive headwind due to changes that were made to the sales rules within the telecommunications industry. It was our second time to experience a crisis of that scale, resulting in a 100-million-yen deficit in just three months.

At that time, the executive members decided that instead of going on the defensive, we should show a challenging spirit. Each of us stepped into new domains. Mr. Hori, who had been in charge of HR, took the lead as the CEO of Good Crew. Mr. Iwama became the CEO of Gnext, which we had acquired through M&A. Mr. Fujita established Advancer, and Mr. Hosaka founded STAR CAREER. The executive staff of that era began making big moves.

Amidst that, I was entrusted with being responsible for M&A.

Sugihara:
Was this shift towards M&A strategy necessary?

Kato:
Yes, it was a natural progression for the head of Corporate Planning to take charge of M&A. President Goto had been saying for a while that he wanted to pursue M&A, and there was a sense of urgency, that we wouldn’t be able to dramatically increase our growth trajectory only through businesses built up using internal resources alone (i.e., organic growth). It was difficult to work backward from our growth goals based on a labor-intensive model. So, we decided to make M&A a central pillar of our growth strategy.

In fact, this Faithful Corporation was one of the companies I acquired while serving as the head of M&A.

Sugihara:
So, you became the representative of the very company you decided to acquire?

Kato:
Yes. Our first M&A deal was a company called graphD, and the second company we acquired was Faithful. Since I was the one who proposed and pushed for the acquisition, I took it upon myself to steer the ship afterward. That is how I became its President.

Sugihara:
It sounds like the very structure of D-POPS GROUP changed radically between 2015 and 2016.

Kato:
Exactly. That was when our current group management platform was built.

Sugihara:
You mentioned Faithful was the second company you acquired. What sort of business were they doing at the time?

Kato:
Actually, that business had to pivot just a few months after we acquired them.

Initially, Faithful’s main business was article production outsourcing. However, right at that timing, society was starting to question the reliability of curated media, which sent shockwaves through the entire industry. We were caught in the middle of that storm, and the articles we were handling came under fire.

We found ourselves in a situation where we couldn’t continue the core business that accounted for 70% to 80% of our revenue, and we plunged into a massive deficit. Normally, one might give up and conclude that the M&A was a failure, but if we had retreated then, we wouldn’t have been able to make our next move. So, we decided to cut off the unprofitable old business and aim for a recovery.

◆Building a Sustainable BtoB Model

Sugihara:
How did you go about rebuilding the company into its current business from that point?

Kato:
The business as it stands today was not something we inherited from the acquisition…it was built completely from scratch.

At the time, D-POPS GROUP’s non-executive director, President Naito of Findstar GROUP Co., Ltd., gave us the following advice at a board meeting: “If you slightly shift your existing business model, you will find new business opportunities.” So, we asked ourselves, “Besides selling mobile phones in physical stores, what are we capable of doing?” Then, we decided to pivot entirely to communication consulting targeted at corporations.

While launching this new business, I was handling bank relations as an executive staff of D-POPS GROUP. There was an expectation from those around me not to exhaust the staff working on-site, and to create a sustainable business. I came up with the idea of a model that utilized banks as referral partners, and figured that would be the best. I proposed this to the banks, and they thankfully agreed to help introduce us to other companies.

◆Thoughts on the Strengths of Faithful and His Colleagues

Sugihara:
If you had to describe Faithful’s current business in one sentence, what would it be?

Kato:
In short, we support small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). We had originally taken over a media business, but we steered it to build the current consulting model that solves the challenges of SMEs in an entirely new way.

Sugihara:
Among the many consulting firms out there, what are Faithful’s strengths?

Kato:
Our overwhelming strength is definitely that since our staff—who have years of experience in mobile phone shops—provide the consulting proposals, we can put all that know-how to good use. Other companies selling office automation (OA) equipment to corporations tend to just sell the products, but the relationship ends there. Follow-up is difficult for them, and because they lack deep ties with telecommunications carriers, they can’t handle complex adjustments.

We can provide fair and neutral comparative proposals backed by strong relationships with carriers. Above all, we have an environment where members who transferred straight from an on-site workplace are able to contribute right from the start.

Sugihara:
So then, the environment for your members was also part of your consideration when launching that new business.

Kato:
Yes, and in fact, we had an underlying goal there as well. Operations for mobile phone stores are naturally focused on weekends, but a BtoB business allows us to create a work environment focused on weekdays.

As members progress in their careers, they can acquire higher expertise and provide more to our clients and our company itself. By digging deep into the BtoB domain, I wanted to expand the options my colleagues would have in the future.

Sugihara:
Was the transition from store-based BtoC sales to corporate BtoB sales a big obstacle for your members?

Kato:
That is still an area of great struggle for us, even today, and we are in a constant process of trial and error. The sales styles and required knowledge are completely different, so that wall was even higher than I imagined.

The vast majority of Faithful’s members are transfers from within our group. The nature of starting out this way is different compared to an organization built from the ground up by recruiting specifically for BtoB sales. So, the question of how to transform the customer service skills cultivated in stores into the ability to solve corporate problems remains an unending battle and challenge for our company.

~To be continued in Part 2~

Interview conducted by D-POPS GROUP’s advisor Genta Sugihara.

D-POPS GROUP Co., Ltd.

Managing Director, Operating Officer, and Corporate Planning Head Takahiro Kato

Faithful Corporation

Company Co-President: Takahiro Kato
Address: 32F Shibuya Hikarie Building, 2-21-1 Shibuya, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo

Next, in the latter part of the interview, we discuss:

・Keeping busy as the Head of M&A
・The importance of people for D-POPS GROUP’s style of M&A
・The “flow of energy” that President Goto values
・“Realizing a Venture Ecosystem
・5-year vision
・And other topics

Be sure to check it out here:
https://d-pops-group.co.jp/en/column/kato-interview-latter-part/

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From Startup to Scale-up: Mutual Growth and Realization of an Advancing Ecosystem For this article, we interviewed the Startup Ecosystem Association’s President Ayumi Fujimoto, a leader who shares our vision for Japan’s entrepreneurial future. (This interview was conducted in January 2026.) See Part 1 and Part 2 of the interview here. ◆The Joy of Creating Something from Zero Learned at Google Sugihara: Let’s take a step back into the past for a moment. we actually joined Google in the same year—2007. Back then, Google still felt like a true startup. If a problem arose, people from different departments would huddle together to solve it. We were the pioneers…there wasn’t an atmosphere of an established, incumbent corporation yet. Later on, we both left Google at close to the same time. You moved on to Money Design (a fintech startup), and then to Plug and Play Japan, but the whole time, you’ve stayed in the startup world. I have to ask…what has driven you to consistently choose this career path? Fujimoto: Once you experience that Google era like we did, you never forget the joy of building something from scratch. It becomes much more addictive than working on something that is already established. When I first joined Google, I used to wonder why some of my senior colleagues were leaving so early in their careers. But they told me, “You’ll understand one day. Different phases of a company require different types of people, and I personally love the launch phase.” Now, I understand exactly what they meant. Sugihara: What is your favorite phase in a company’s lifecycle? Fujimoto: For my seniors, it might have been when the company was completely unknown. For me, my specialty lies in the phase where something has just started to sprout, but doesn’t quite have a clear identity yet. I love the process of giving it a name and helping it grow. I tried to replicate that at Money Design, but I eventually ran into a dilemma: a single company cannot keep up with the sheer speed of change in the world today. That’s when I decided to pivot. Instead of running a business myself, I chose to build and steer an ecosystem that could support multiple innovators in order to achieve a lot more. ◆Resolving the Gender Gap Sugihara: So, you chose your current path out of a desire to deepen the role of scale-ups (the growth phase following the initial creation of something from nothing). I also remember you being in charge of the Women Will project back in the Google era. Many of my friends were involved in that fantastic initiative. Could you explain for our readers what that project was about? Additionally, the startup world tends to be male-dominated. How do you view the current lack of female entrepreneurs, and what is your approach to changing this? Fujimoto: Women Will was an initiative that started even before women’s empowerment became a buzzword. The core idea was to use the power of technology to empower women. Startups are inherently places where people use technology to drive change, so there should be immense opportunities for anyone to succeed, regardless of gender or age. While the number of female entrepreneurs and investors has grown steadily over the last decade, the lack of balance remains an issue that’s shared across the world. One specific factor is the bias in fundraising. Female founders are often asked questions that men are not, such as “Do you plan to get married?” or “What about children?” While this could be considered as risk-hedging, we must create an environment where we face the business itself, flatly and without bias. Our association is currently working with the Financial Services Agency (FSA) on a survey regarding the gender gap in the ecosystem. Following the increased attention on harassment issues over the last couple of years, the industry’s sense of crisis is very high. Recognizing that unfair practices are unacceptable is the first step toward improvement. Sugihara: In a single company, you can manage this with rules and KPIs, but changing the culture of an entire ecosystem is a massive challenge. Fujimoto: That is the hardest part. Since an ecosystem isn’t managed by one single person, it’s not enough to just chase a quota like “30% women”. We have to ensure true diversity where more people have access to opportunities. Lately, more event organizers are paying attention to the balance of gender, age, and nationality among speakers. This is a great first step. The supporters of international accelerator programs are now being held strictly accountable for the diversity of their cohorts. I hope to see this approach take root in Japan as well. Sugihara: In the past, female entrepreneurs were often “invisible” unless you were intentionally trying to find them. Fujimoto: Exactly. However, from an innovation standpoint, the data is clear: diverse teams grow significantly faster. There was once an unwritten rule in Japan that a homogeneous team with shared values could move faster in the early stages. Recent studies have debunked this. If you don’t build a diverse organization from the very beginning, you won’t be able to scale the company later. Success in scaling up depends entirely on the organizational environment. It’s no longer just a binary of male vs. female. Broad diversity, including nationality, is an essential element for Japanese startups to leap forward. Sugihara: That is a vital perspective. I’ve seen research showing that companies with diverse public relations and branding are more highly valued. Fujimoto: Our gender gap survey showed something interesting: while women feel they are at a disadvantage, men also expressed feeling a sense of suffocation or an inability to speak their minds in the current culture. It’s not about one side or the other being bad. It’s about mutual understanding. When I think back on our time at Google, we were told not to assume that we fully understood the other person. We made sure never to operate under any kind of unspoken understanding, and we communicated clearly through dialogue to move things forward correctly. In Japan, we often proceed with the assumption that others know what we need, and when things go wrong, we get frustrated. We need to move toward a culture where we communicate under the premise that we don’t automatically understand each other. ◆Japan’s Future Strength: Turning Technology into Business and Communicating It Sugihara: Indeed, it is precisely because a diverse range of personalities come together that we can create exceptional services that reach a global audience. On that note, I’d like to ask a final question about the future. From the perspective of entrepreneurship and new business development, which domains do you believe will hold the key to Japan’s growth moving forward? Fujimoto: I’ve traveled the world, and thought about what Japan’s future strength will be. At this point, I am convinced the answer lies in “deep tech”. Japan’s R&D, technical capabilities, and ideas are world-class. However, our ability to turn that into viable businesses hasn’t caught up. Japan’s big opportunity lies in bridging that gap. A supporter in South Korea once told me: “Japanese people think if they make something good, it will be recognized. But you have to tell people it’s good, or else no one will know its value.” That might be Japanese modesty, but it doesn’t work in startups. If we can strengthen our ability to convey our products and our business acumen, we have enormous potential. The same applies to SaaS. Japanese services tend to stay domestic. But if we can break through the international wall and focus on scaling globally, we have a real chance. Sugihara: To break through that wall, it seems crucial to have a multinational team from the early stages so that launching simultaneously in multiple countries becomes the standard mindset. Fujimoto: I completely agree. In many other countries, that’s already the norm. We must have a sense of urgency—if we spend too much time thinking “Japan first”, we’ll end up falling a full lap behind the rest of the world. I don’t believe every single service has to expand overseas, but there is simply too much you cannot see if you remain closed off within Japan. When a team includes members of diverse nationalities, your speed and perspective naturally shift, and you begin to notice global changes. I feel that this kind of organizational structure will ultimately dictate the growth of Japanese startups moving forward. Sugihara: That’s a very helpful perspective. Moving on to a question about current trends: we often see discussions in the news or in books about specific professions disappearing due to AI. What are your thoughts on this? Fujimoto: The impact of Generative AI is certainly obvious, but if you look back at history, there have always been certain roles jobs that disappeared and new ones that emerged. However, this time, the feeling of being robbed by AI or being replaced by something non-human is particularly strong, which is causing a lot of anxiety. But the most important premise to remember is that everything is always changing. At the same time, isn’t the rise of AI giving us a chance to re-examine what it is that only humans can do? It’s a great time to realize our unique human value and figure out how we want to contribute and what skills we should master. There’s really nothing to fear. It’s much more exciting to think about how to master these tools. Just try using them first! This isn’t just about AI. We need to change our tendency to reject anything new. A mindset of “just try it, and if it doesn’t work, quit” is perfectly fine. The biggest waste of all is to limit your own potential by disliking something without having tried it first. ◆The Essential Quality of a Supporter: Outgrowing the Startups Sugihara: As the social environment shifts and the future is constantly being rewritten, both individuals and startups must adapt to survive. In this context, what is the role of the “scalerator”, a supporter who focuses on scaling up rather than just accelerating the early stage? Fujimoto: Whether you are an incubator or a “scalerator”, the most vital thing is to ensure you are growing faster than anyone else. If the person supporting a startup’s growth isn’t growing themselves, why would a founder want their help? Unfortunately, there are many “supporters” who have never touched a new tech tool or have stopped studying the latest global trends. Being a supporter doesn’t make you superior or omnipotent. As business models and the nature of startups evolve, it is crucial that the supporter evolves at a speed that exceeds the startup itself. If you keep doing the same old thing, you’ll be seen as out of touch, or simply uncool, and startups will leave you behind. We often say that in three years, we’ll likely be talking about something completely different from today. That isn't flip-flopping, it’s positive evolution. To constantly reinvent oneself without fearing change…that is the essential quality of a modern ecosystem supporter. ◆Defining a Startup Ecosystem Sugihara: Finally, could you share your personal definition of a “startup ecosystem”? Fujimoto: By definition, an ecosystem involves the mutual interaction of organic and inorganic elements. Support often feels like a one-way street, from the supporter to the startup, but a true ecosystem requires reciprocity. The startup should be at the center, but they shouldn’t be treated like a guest or a customer. Everyone must act as a stakeholder and a member of the ecosystem. As everyone influences one another, the ecosystem itself grows. The only way to enrich the ecosystem is for every single member to commit to continuous growth. Sugihara: That philosophy aligns perfectly with the vision of D-POPS GROUP. We aim to build a Venture Ecosystem where we aren’t just managing or investing, but growing together as peers. We reinvest the profits from our 25 group companies into the next generation and learn alongside them. Do you see synergy or potential for collaboration here? Fujimoto: I think it’s a fantastic approach. Whether we call them startups or ventures, we are all part of the same foundation of the Japanese ecosystem. The important thing isn’t who is the boss, but the shared attitude of contributing to society through business and developing together. Ideally, this creates a chain of paying it forward, where those who were once supported by the ecosystem eventually become the ones who support it. To be honest, now that government support in Japan has become quite generous, we are seeing cases where people build businesses solely to get subsidies, effectively capping their own potential. This is a massive information loss…a lack of awareness of the speed of the global market. That is why it’s so important for ecosystems to interact and for rich knowledge to spread. When players with a strong philosophy like D-POPS GROUP join hands with us, that contagious mindset becomes the driving force that will truly keep Japan up to date. Interview conducted by D-POPS GROUP’s advisor Genta Sugihara. Startup Ecosystem Association President: Ayumi Fujimoto Address: 15F Toranomon Hills Business Tower, 1-17-1 Toranomon, Minato, Tokyo Established: March 30, 2022 Website: https://startupecosystem.org/home-en
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2026.04.07
[Founder Interview #3] Ayumi Fujimoto (Startup Ecosystem Association) – Part 2
From Startup to Scale-up: Mutual Growth and Realization of an Advancing Ecosystem For this article, we interviewed the Startup Ecosystem Association’s President Ayumi Fujimoto, a leader who shares our vision for Japan’s entrepreneurial future. (This interview was conducted in January 2026.) See Part 1 of the interview here. ◆Impact and Diversity: Over 500 Attendees Gather at the “Startup Ecosystem Summit” Sugihara: It’s true that while national and local governments make a big deal about startup support, there are legal complexities that make it difficult for local governments to invest directly in startup equity. However, providing support in the form of recruitment is a very practical workaround. I also find it impressive when financial institutions go beyond just providing capital to actually running alongside startups to assist with sales and business development. Regarding your three courses of action, I’m particularly interested in the second one, eliminating information inequality. Could you share some specific success stories or milestones from your activities overall? Fujimoto: I would say the Startup Ecosystem Summit is our most significant achievement and a prime example of our impact. We have held it for four consecutive years now, and last year, we introduced our first “Global Roundtable”. While many international ecosystem stakeholders were visiting Japan, there were surprisingly few opportunities for them to gather in one room and collaborate, so we created that space for them. Last year, the Summit drew between 500 and 600 participants. Players from every corner of the domestic market mingled together, and I believe that sheer diversity is a tangible manifestation of the ecosystem itself. Sugihara: Just gathering hundreds of people from so many different sectors in a single venue is itself quite a feat. Fujimoto: It really is. I feel like the scope of the event expands every year. We started with about 100 people, mostly just the supporters. From that point, we started to hear feedback like, “Actually, startups should participate too,” “We should exchange information with regional governments,” or “Every single government ministry should attend.” The sense of connectedness is growing, and the diversity increases every year. Our philosophy is that rather than just repeating the same thing, the Summit should be a place where participants can actually experience the growth of the ecosystem. That’s why we aim to challenge ourselves with something different every year. We’re grateful that those who attend can feel that the scale is truly growing and the diversity is deepening. While it’s almost like a kind of class reunion for the industry, our ultimate goal is for it to be a place where you can feel the evolution of the ecosystem and where startups can find every piece of new information they need. One way we are currently expanding our activities is by utilizing the Tokyo Innovation Base (TIB) in Yurakucho, which is supported by the Tokyo Metropolitan Government, and collaborating with them on the operational side. ◆Overseas Collaboration: Where Supporters Connect on a Global Stage Sugihara: Since the Startup Ecosystem Association is a non-profit, your activities feel very pure and ambition-driven as opposed to being motivated by profit. I also get the impression that your team is incredibly high-caliber, with members coming from prestigious backgrounds like Google. Regarding the previous Startup Ecosystem Summit you held last October, I saw on your website that your association was deeply involved in organizing it together with the Tokyo Metropolitan Government. Could you tell us more about the global perspective of that event and the reception it received? Fujimoto: Last year’s event was particularly successful in its global focus. While other events hosted by VCs or massive government initiatives like “SusHi Tech Tokyo” attract many international visitors, there are actually surprisingly few opportunities for startup supporters to have deep, substantive conversations with each other. For our event, we invited supporters and people in charge of operating large-scale facilities or acceleration programs from different countries within Asia, the US, Europe, and other places. Hearing directly from them about the current trends among Singapore’s startup supporters or the transitions happening in France was incredibly meaningful. Also, I like trying new things every year, so last year, we introduced the “Triangle Session” format: three speakers and one moderator. We picked specific themes such as legal affairs, accelerators, or entrepreneurship education, and limited the time per session to just 15 minutes, to keep the speakers focused on sharing what initiatives they were undertaking. In previous years, we had larger panels with about ten speakers, but the content often became too broad. Participants told us they wanted to dive deeper into specific niches and hear how three different companies handle the same challenge. When I first proposed a 15-minute limit, neither the speakers nor the Tokyo government officials could imagine achieving anything in such a short window, so they were skeptical. But it turned out to be a massive hit. The goal wasn’t to tell the whole story on stage, but to provide just enough essence to spark a direct conversation or a follow-up later. Creating that spark was the major development of last year’s Summit. Sugihara: That 15-minute format sounds like something that could be applied to many other types of conferences. Fujimoto: Absolutely. I’d love for others to adopt it. Over the past year, our association has been continuously conducting an “Ecosystem Survey”, and we’ve visited roughly 20 countries to study their local scenes. There’s no point in us keeping that knowledge to ourselves. Whether it’s a unique conference format, a workshop style, or a specific program we saw abroad, we want to share those ideas. Even if we don’t implement them ourselves, it’s important that someone else is able to do so. Sugihara: I imagine that it must be intimidating to reach out to a lot of very busy leaders for these events, but is that process usually smooth? Fujimoto: I think this is a testament to what we’ve built over the years. Most people seem to trust that “if the association is doing it, it’s going to be worthwhile”. Rather than saying “Hmm, we’ll think about it”, they usually say “Let’s do it!” almost immediately. I believe this is possible precisely because everyone, including our founding supporters, recognizes the necessity of this activity. I also believe the fact that we operate as a non-profit is a major reason why people are so willing to accept our requests. We aren’t looking to turn this into a profitable business, but acting purely for the sake of the ecosystem. Our hope is that the association’s events serve as a catalyst for what each participant is working on to be shared with the wider world. If this were a request for cooperation coming from a specific private company for their own business interests, I don’t think things would go nearly as smoothly. ◆Global Trend: From Startup to Scale-up Sugihara: I’ve read the association’s reports as well, and I’d love to hear about the major global trends you notice during your travels. Among those, you pointed out a transition from startup support to scale-up support. Is this a shift that is happening right now? Fujimoto: It sure is. Over the last two years, the term ‘scale-up’ has exploded globally. Previously, it was lumped into the general category of startups, but now startups and scale-ups are being treated as two distinct nouns. Currently, many countries are discussing startup policies and scale-up policies separately, as well. Sugihara: Why has it become necessary to differentiate the two? Fujimoto: Take France, for example. They began enacting startup policies about ten years ago and have since seen the emergence of rapidly growing companies called ‘unicorns’. From a government perspective, if you are investing tax dollars to maximize employment and tax revenue, you eventually need to help those companies grow to a certain size. While startup initiatives are about broadening the supporter base, scale-up initiatives are about building higher, aiming for the scale of a company like Google. Because the support required for these two phases is entirely different, they are now being discussed as separate entities. Sugihara: Is this a different nuance from what we typically call “growth” companies in Japan? Fujimoto: The term ‘growth companies’ is used in Japan, but the difference between that and the global definition of scale-up lies in the trajectory of the growth. While growth company often implies linear progression, scale-up refers to non-linear, J-curved growth. Rather than just growing slowly over a long period, it’s the argument that we need to create scale-ups that grow at explosive speeds, right now. Over the past year, to the degree that the terms are different, Japan has begun to realize that building higher carries the same degree of importance. While it hasn’t been fully codified into policy yet, Japan is poised to change by following the examples of leading nations. Actually, in one sense, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government was ahead of the curve here. When they announced their strategy last October, they were already beginning to distinguish between the terms startup and scale-up. ◆How a New Company Was Established: Japan’s Globally Competitive Sense of Speed Sugihara: That’s great! To focus specifically on scale-ups, you recently co-founded a new company called FoundersNation with Mr. Nagura. How is this new company segregated from the Startup Ecosystem Association? Fujimoto: The Startup Ecosystem Association does not provide individual support to specific industries or companies. After all, we’re structured to develop the ecosystem as a whole, and focus on the big picture. However, as we were continuing our work, we were receiving more and more requests for help from individual startups or specific industries. From the association’s standpoint, I had to decline these requests because we must remain neutral, but I constantly felt the dilemma about being unable to act on these specific needs. This sense of urgency became even stronger as the scale-up trend took hold. Laying the soil where an ecosystem can grow takes a very long time. While we can eventually build an ecosystem that produces scale-ups organically, I felt that if we simply waited for that to happen, Japan would lose its competitive edge on the world stage. Right now, the number of players we have in this specific niche is overwhelmingly small, and we don’t have the luxury of time. I decided that we needed a separate, for-profit entity specifically dedicated to supporting scale-ups. That is why we established a new company. ~To be concluded in Part 3~ Interview conducted by D-POPS GROUP’s advisor Genta Sugihara. Startup Ecosystem Association President: Ayumi Fujimoto Address: 15F Toranomon Hills Business Tower, 1-17-1 Toranomon, Minato, Tokyo Established: March 30, 2022 Website: https://startupecosystem.org/home-en In the third and final part of the interview, we discuss: ・The Joy of Creating Something from Zero Learned at Google ・Resolving the Gender Gap ・Japan’s Future Strength: Turning Technology into Business and Communicating It ・Defining a Startup Ecosystem ・And other topics Be sure to check it out here: https://d-pops-group.co.jp/en/column/startupecosystem-part3/
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2026.04.02
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